From owner-local-ir Thu Aug 29 15:14:16 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA09591 for local-ir-outgoing; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:14:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from marikit.iphil.net (map@marikit.iphil.net [203.176.0.4]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id PAA09582 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:14:07 +0900 (JST) Received: (from map@localhost) by marikit.iphil.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA04888; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:11:02 -0700 From: "Miguel A.L. Paraz" Message-Id: <199608290611.XAA04888@marikit.iphil.net> Subject: PIX To: fyta@car.chula.ac.th (Yunyong Teng-amnuay) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 14:11:02 +0800 (GMT+0800) Cc: local-ir@apnic.net In-Reply-To: from "Yunyong Teng-amnuay" at Aug 29, 96 08:49:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Yunyong Teng-amnuay wrote: > A box called PIX (Private Internet Exchange), just out. We are still > waiting for a demo unit from CISCO. Interesting stuff. Useful? Not > sure yet. If it's export-restricted... perhaps you can't use it, unless you can order a unit without the DES encryption. I'm pretty sure it's useful for squeezing down on those unnecessary IPs, but for my applications a free solution might work just as well. Best regards. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQB1AgUBMiU0dbsCsZ1D8NARAQGTwAMAh0K+5oxLpboHfDzn+Eqgr8kYlraXIjFZ ua40Imc+vxx/Ftpde0wEI+eE5VyumXbN2ah+oCq4Q74MEbppfMU2CQoLqZUQpplw nAjszc/24aDN17lArgfsWpgn4nE6kNjH =FhvN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- miguel a.l. paraz PGP keyID: 0x43F0D011 iphil communications, makati city, philippines http://www.iphil.net From owner-local-ir Fri Aug 30 05:05:29 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id FAA20944 for local-ir-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 05:05:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from lint.cisco.com (lint.cisco.com [171.68.223.44]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA20939 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 05:05:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from pferguso-pc.cisco.com (c4robo14.cisco.com [171.68.13.110]) by lint.cisco.com (8.6.10/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) with SMTP id NAA22665; Thu, 29 Aug 1996 13:08:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199608292008.NAA22665@lint.cisco.com> X-Sender: pferguso@lint.cisco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:07:17 -0400 To: nanog@merit.edu From: Paul Ferguson Subject: [fwd] Protocol Action: INTERNET REGISTRY IP ALLOCATION GUIDELINES to BCP Cc: local-ir@apnic.net, pier@ISI.EDU Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk I thought this might be of mild interest. - paul [snip] >To: IETF-Announce:; >Cc: RFC Editor >Cc: Internet Architecture Board >Cc: cidrd@iepg.org >Sender: ietf-announce-request@ietf.org >From: The IESG >Subject: Protocol Action: INTERNET REGISTRY IP ALLOCATION GUIDELINES to BCP >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 10:51:08 -0400 >X-Orig-Sender: scoya@ietf.org > > > > The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft "INTERNET REGISTRY IP > ALLOCATION GUIDELINES" for > publication as a Best Current Practices RFC. This document is the > product of the CIDR Deployment Working Group. The IESG contact > persons are Scott Bradner and Michael O'Dell. > > >Technical Summary > > This document describes the registry system for the distribution of > globally unique Internet address space and registry operations. > Particularly this document describes the rules and guidelines > governing the distribution of this address space while keeping in mind > the requirements of IP address conservation and the need to distribute > globally unique Internet addresses in a hierarchical manner, > permitting the routing scalability of the addresses. > > "Conservation" and "Routability" are often conflicting goals. These > goals may sometimes be in conflict with the interests of individual > end-users or Internet service providers. Careful analysis and > judgement is necessary in each individual case to find an appropriate > compromise. > > This document replaces RFC 1466, with all the guidelines and > procedures updated and modified in the light of experience. > > This document can be considered the base set of operational guidelines > in use by all registries. Additional guidelines may be imposed by a > particular registry as appropriate. > > >Working Group Summary > > The working group strongly supported the publication of this document. > A text was added to the document during IESG review on the advice > of a legal review of anti-trust issues. > >Protocol Quality > > This document has been reviewed for the IESG by Scott Bradner and Mike > O'Dell. > >NOTE TO RFC EDITOR: > >Please include the following text as an IESG Note: > > By approving this document as a Best Current Practice,the IESG asserts > its belief that this policy described herein is an accurate > representation of the current practice of the IP address registries > with respect to address assignment. This does not constitute > endorsement or recommendation of this policy by the IESG. The IESG > will reevaluate its approval of this document in December 1997 taking > into consideration the results of the discussions that will be take > place in the IRE Working Group between now and then. > > > [snip] From owner-local-ir Fri Aug 30 13:24:25 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA23524 for local-ir-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:24:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from rizal.ph.net (root@rizal.ph.net [165.220.3.4]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA23519 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 13:24:20 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:50:41 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: Risa Carlos To: Che-Hoo Cheng cc: "'local-ir@apnic.net'" Subject: Re: APOPS (was Re: Customer AS) In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960828085058.00e36bd4@mailserv.cuhk.edu.hk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Philippine Network Foundation, Inc. Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk I'm interested in this list too! On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Che-Hoo Cheng wrote: > At 04:49 PM 8/27/96 -0000, Barry Raveendran Greene wrote: > >Hello Dave, > > > >Miguel A.L. Paraz wrote: > >> > >>> For a little background, a couple of people have asked APNIC to host a > >>> operator's forum mailing list like the nanog@merit.edu list (for the > >>> North American Network Operations Group, nanog-request@merit.edu to > >>> join of course). If people think this would be valuable, please let > >>> me know. > >> > >>Yes, this would be worthwhile. While I lurk on that list, I can't > >>say much since I don't speak BGP, and if ever, not to the intricacy > >>that "backbone people" do. > > > >We've talked about APOPS before. I'll volunteer to help coordinate the > mailing list and supporting materials (mailing list management, www page, > summaries, etc.). This would be a excellent way to get operational > information out to the APNIC membership that would benefit everyone. > > > >Things like CIDR/VLSM router configurations, common filters everyone should > have on their routers. dual homing configurations, peering configs, > proxy/cache experience, DNS maintenance, USENET News management, etc., etc. > > > >Is there anyone else in favor? > > Yes, I am. > > Thanks for the effort. > > Che-Hoo Cheng | Email: chcheng@cuhk.edu.hk > Data Comms and Networking Section | URL: http://www.cuhk.edu.hk/ > Information Technology Service Unit | Tel: +852 2609-8848 > The Chinese University of Hong Kong | Fax: +852 2603-5001 > > From owner-local-ir Fri Aug 30 18:35:47 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA25050 for local-ir-outgoing; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:35:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from dragon.jp.apnic.net (firewall-user@apnic.hq.unu.edu [202.253.138.44]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA25045; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:35:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by dragon.jp.apnic.net; id SAA24564; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:26:03 +0900 Received: from moonsky.jp.apnic.net(10.0.10.4) by dragon.jp.apnic.net via smap (g3.0.3) id xma024558; Fri, 30 Aug 96 18:25:44 +0900 Received: from apnic.net (davidc@localhost) by moonsky.jp.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA09494; Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:33:10 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199608300933.SAA09494@moonsky.jp.apnic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: moonsky.jp.apnic.net: davidc owned process doing -bs To: Risa Carlos cc: Che-Hoo Cheng , "'local-ir@apnic.net'" , davidc@apnic.net Subject: Re: APOPS (was Re: Customer AS) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Aug 1996 20:50:41 +0800." Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:33:09 +0900 From: "David R. Conrad" Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, >I'm interested in this list too! It was created -- to join, send mail to apops-request@apnic.net Regards, -drc From owner-local-ir Wed Sep 4 07:45:50 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id HAA00812 for local-ir-outgoing; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:45:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from chops.icp.net (chops.icp.net [199.0.55.71]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id HAA00805 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:45:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by chops.icp.net id <20623>; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:48:15 +0100 To: Paul Ferguson Cc: nanog@merit.edu, local-ir@apnic.net, pier@ISI.EDU Subject: Re: [fwd] Protocol Action: INTERNET REGISTRY IP ALLOCATION GUIDELINES to BCP References: <199608292008.NAA22665@lint.cisco.com> From: Sean Doran Date: 03 Sep 1996 18:48:05 -0400 In-Reply-To: Paul Ferguson's message of Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:07:17 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.32 Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk [RFC1466bis->BCP] Wow. I seem to have missed a series of obituaries. Where should I send condolences? Sean. From owner-local-ir Thu Sep 26 21:01:09 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id VAA01889 for local-ir-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:01:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from dragon.jp.apnic.net (firewall-user@apnic.hq.unu.edu [202.253.138.44]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA01862; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 21:00:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by dragon.jp.apnic.net; id UAA18120; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:49:29 +0900 Received: from moonsky.jp.apnic.net(10.0.10.4) by dragon.jp.apnic.net via smap (g3.0.3) id xma018116; Thu, 26 Sep 96 20:49:12 +0900 Received: from apnic.net (davidc@localhost) by moonsky.jp.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA13643; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:58:08 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199609261158.UAA13643@moonsky.jp.apnic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: moonsky.jp.apnic.net: davidc owned process doing -bs To: funding-wg@apnic.net cc: local-ir@apnic.net reply-to: funding-wg@apnic.net Subject: Funding plan changes for FY '97 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:58:07 +0900 From: "David R. Conrad" Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, One of the action items from the last APNIC meeting was to look into modifications to the existing APNIC funding plan. Specifically, APNIC has been directed by the membership to institute a more usage based funding scheme for enterprise registries. The specific proposal discussed was the creation of a non-membership fee structure in which there was a high initial cost based on the resources consumed and a lower recurrent fee. Discussions during the meeting indicated that the recurrent fee should be some percentage of the initial cost, thus for example an organization which did not wish to become an APNIC member but which wanted to obtain (say) a /22 would be charged an initial per address charge (say US $1024.00 (US $1.00/address)) and then a yearly recurrent fee based on a precentage of that initial fee (say, 15% or US $153.60) to maintain the record. In addition, it was suggested that the classification of "enterprise" be removed. Note that the numbers presented above are merely for demonstration purposes and I would like to encourage discussion on appropriate numbers. In addition, APNIC is facing a problem with respect to the informal "confederation" classification. A confederation is defined as a group of ISPs who are able to agree to a single interface to APNIC, thus they are charged as a single ISP. The problem is that APNIC must treat confederations differently as a confederation (to be effective) must provide similar resources to APNIC. In concrete terms, what this means is that APNIC allocates to confederations a /19 for all confederation members. Given that confederations are treated in the funding plan the same as ISPs, there is very strong incentive for organizations to form confederations in order to obtain very large blocks of address space. In order to address this issue, I would like to recommend the creation of a new billing category, namely "confederation". This category would have the following characteristics: Initial Startup Fee: US $1000.00 Base Fee: US $5000.00 per year Per member fee: US $500 per year Votes: 2 + 1 vote per 5 members to a maximum of 6 votes. Referral order: On an independently referenced page of APNIC referral documentation I would like to strongly encourage discussion on these issues (please note the reply-to: field above). Final proposals for the funding plan modifications will be voted on at the APNIC Annual General Meeting to be held in Hong Kong on January 31, 1997. Thanks, -drc From owner-local-ir Fri Sep 27 15:32:42 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA10764 for local-ir-outgoing; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:32:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from sunflower.singnet.com.sg (sunflower.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.58]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA10745; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:32:05 +0900 (JST) From: laina@merlion.singnet.com.sg Received: from laina.singnet.com.sg (ts900-5020.singnet.com.sg [165.21.156.40]) by sunflower.singnet.com.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA30950; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:34:43 +0800 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 14:29:53 Subject: RE: Funding plan changes for FY '97 To: funding-wg@apnic.net Cc: local-ir@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi David, I am glad you are bringing up these issues regarding funding, especially given APNIC's current lack of funding (maybe it is a good time also to remind people to pay up;-)) Your recommendation reagrading confererations, and non-members sounds good. I would perhaps like to add another. What about having other non-member categories where companies willing to donate money but aren't service providers or companies needing IP addresses, could still participate and maybe not vote? This would certainly bring in new sources of funding, without the threat of these sources influencing APNIC policies. Comments? Laina RG --- On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:58:07 +0900 "David R. Conrad" wrote: Hi, One of the action items from the last APNIC meeting was to look into modifications to the existing APNIC funding plan. Specifically, APNIC has been directed by the membership to institute a more usage based funding scheme for enterprise registries. The specific proposal discussed was the creation of a non-membership fee structure in which there was a high initial cost based on the resources consumed and a lower recurrent fee. Discussions during the meeting indicated that the recurrent fee should be some percentage of the initial cost, thus for example an organization which did not wish to become an APNIC member but which wanted to obtain (say) a /22 would be charged an initial per address charge (say US $1024.00 (US $1.00/address)) and then a yearly recurrent fee based on a precentage of that initial fee (say, 15% or US $153.60) to maintain the record. In addition, it was suggested that the classification of "enterprise" be removed. Note that the numbers presented above are merely for demonstration purposes and I would like to encourage discussion on appropriate numbers. In addition, APNIC is facing a problem with respect to the informal "confederation" classification. A confederation is defined as a group of ISPs who are able to agree to a single interface to APNIC, thus they are charged as a single ISP. The problem is that APNIC must treat confederations differently as a confederation (to be effective) must provide similar resources to APNIC. In concrete terms, what this means is that APNIC allocates to confederations a /19 for all confederation members. Given that confederations are treated in the funding plan the same as ISPs, there is very strong incentive for organizations to form confederations in order to obtain very large blocks of address space. In order to address this issue, I would like to recommend the creation of a new billing category, namely "confederation". This category would have the following characteristics: Initial Startup Fee: US $1000.00 Base Fee: US $5000.00 per year Per member fee: US $500 per year Votes: 2 + 1 vote per 5 members to a maximum of 6 votes. Referral order: On an independently referenced page of APNIC referral documentation I would like to strongly encourage discussion on these issues (please note the reply-to: field above). Final proposals for the funding plan modifications will be voted on at the APNIC Annual General Meeting to be held in Hong Kong on January 31, 1997. Thanks, -drc -----------------End of Original Message----------------- ------------------------------------------------- Laina Raveendran Greene Global Empowerment Through Information Technology (GETIT) laina@singnet.com.sg -------------------------------------------------- From owner-local-ir Sat Sep 28 18:12:38 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA21657 for local-ir-outgoing; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:12:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from sunflower.singnet.com.sg (sunflower.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.58]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA21651; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:12:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from ts900-4418.singnet.com.sg (ts900-4418.singnet.com.sg [165.21.154.102]) by sunflower.singnet.com.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA11248; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:15:20 +0800 Received: by ts900-4418.singnet.com.sg with Microsoft Mail id <01BBAD68.AC7B8200@ts900-4418.singnet.com.sg>; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:12:56 -0000 Message-ID: <01BBAD68.AC7B8200@ts900-4418.singnet.com.sg> From: Barry Raveendran Greene To: "'funding-wg@apnic.net'" , "'David R. Conrad'" Cc: "'local-ir@apnic.net'" Subject: Re: Funding plan changes for FY '97 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:41:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hello All, David R. Conrad wrote: >In order to address this issue, I would like to recommend the creation >of a new billing category, namely "confederation". This category would >have the following characteristics: > >Initial Startup Fee: US $1000.00 >Base Fee: US $5000.00 per year >Per member fee: US $500 per year > >Votes: 2 + 1 vote per 5 members to a maximum of 6 votes. >Referral order: On an independently referenced page of APNIC referral=20 > documentation Three issues. Even through I'm not a "member" anymore, I'm in a position = to see the issues first hand.=20 1. By-Pass. Confederations need to comply with IANA policies as respect = to allocations practices. there are situations developing in the region = where ISPs would not get resources in a timely manner because of local = politics. Hence, APNIC would need to take on a role as policy police = and/or judge in disputes. This is not a good role of APNIC to get = involved with. So, if a confederation class is created, I would like to insure ISPs and = institutions can by pass the confederation and go directly to APNIC. = This should be in the APNIC confederation agreement. It would keep local = disputes local. APNIC would just allocate resources.=20 2. Funding. I think the finding model looks OK.=20 3. Initial Allocations. Did I understand this correctly - everyone under = a confederation gets a /19? Or does the confederation get a /19 and = people are using it to by-pass the slow start policy? Thanks, Barry From owner-local-ir Sun Sep 29 09:09:43 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id JAA26811 for local-ir-outgoing; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:09:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from ronin.apnic.net (davidc@[192.244.184.5]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA26797; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:09:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199609290009.JAA26797@teckla.apnic.net> To: Barry Raveendran Greene cc: "'funding-wg@apnic.net'" , "'local-ir@apnic.net'" Subject: Re: Funding plan changes for FY '97 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:41:49 GMT." <01BBAD68.AC7B8200@ts900-4418.singnet.com.sg> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 20:14:27 +0000 From: "David R. Conrad" Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Barry, >So, if a confederation class is created, I would like to insure ISPs and >institutions can by pass the confederation and go directly to APNIC. Of course. APNIC can make no requirement that any organization must go to a particular registry for resources. Any organization in the Asia and Pacific Rim regions can obtain resources from APNIC simply by becoming a member. >3. Initial Allocations. Did I understand this correctly - everyone under >a confederation gets a /19? Or does the confederation get a /19 and >people are using it to by-pass the slow start policy? When a confederation forms, all new ISPs within that confederation are reserved a block of /19 from which a /22 should be assigned. The confederation "manager" (the part of the confederation that deals with APNIC) is responsible to insure that slow-start procedures are used by the confederation member ISPs. When a confederation member consumes the /19 reserved for them, the confederation manager requests additional space from APNIC and (assuming procedures are followed), APNIC would allocate to the confederation manager a /18 (who would then assign the /18 to the confederation member). Regards, -drc From owner-local-ir Sat Oct 5 05:36:20 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id FAA23978 for local-ir-outgoing; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 05:36:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from diablo.cisco.com (diablo.cisco.com [171.68.223.106]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA23964; Sat, 5 Oct 1996 05:36:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from pferguso-pc.cisco.com (dhcp-restontel-84.cisco.com [171.68.52.84]) by diablo.cisco.com (8.6.10/CISCO.SERVER.1.1) with SMTP id NAA14533; Fri, 4 Oct 1996 13:38:24 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961004203823.0072e0b4@lint.cisco.com> X-Sender: pferguso@lint.cisco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 16:38:23 -0400 To: "David R. Conrad" From: Paul Ferguson Subject: Re: Dates for APRICOT Cc: inet-access@earth.com, ph-isp@iphil.net, local-ir@apnic.net, apricot-oc@apnic.net Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Any word on the final date, venue, hotels, etc? Thanks, - paul At 09:47 PM 8/1/96 +0900, David R. Conrad wrote: >Hi Paul, > >APRICOT (Asia Pacific Region Internet Conference on Operational >Technologies) is being held in Hong Kong at the end of January, 1997. >The exact dates and venue within Hong Kong are still being hammered >out -- we should have things nailed down within a week or so. Expect >a Call For Participation real soon now. To give you a couple of >hints, this year: > >- will have 2 days of tutorials (Mon & Tues) >- will have 2 regular tracks on Wed & Thu (Network Ops, Applications & Services) >- will have a legal track on one day and a business track on the other > day (so each day will have 3 tracks during the conference) >- will have a 1 hour plenary on Wed & Thu with keynote speeches by a couple > of famous somebodies. >- will have 3 2 hours sessions per track >- will be followed by the APNIC meeting on Friday > >More details to come. > >Regards, >-drc >------- >>I know I've asked before, but can't seem to find any substantitive >>responses. :-) >> >>Does anyone have a pointer (to include venue & dates) for APRICOT >>this year? >> >>Thanks, >> >>- paul >> >>-- >>Paul Ferguson || || >>Consulting Engineering || || >>Reston, Virginia USA |||| |||| >>tel: +1.703.716.9538 ..:||||||:..:||||||:.. >>e-mail: pferguso@cisco.com c i s c o S y s t e m s >> > > From owner-local-ir Thu Oct 10 18:33:10 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA11403 for local-ir-outgoing; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:33:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from moonsky.jp.apnic.net ([10.0.10.4]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA11354; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:32:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from apnic.net (davidc@localhost) by moonsky.jp.apnic.net (8.8.0/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA18860; Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:29:41 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199610100929.SAA18860@moonsky.jp.apnic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: moonsky.jp.apnic.net: davidc owned process doing -bs To: apricot-info@apnic.net, local-ir@apnic.net, apnic-all@apnic.net, apple@apnic.net, apops@apnic.net, apng-all@apng.org Subject: Preliminary Announcement APRICOT Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:29:41 +0900 From: "David R. Conrad" Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk [Apologies for duplicates] *** Preliminary Announcement * Asia * Pacific * Regional * Internet * Conference on * Operational * Technologies Hong Kong January 27-31, 1997 Throughout Asia, Internet Service Providers, Backbone & Regional Networks, Web Hosting Facilities, Firewalls, and Private Intranets, are all being installed at a staggering pace. The organizations responsible are under tremendous pressure to master the skills and policies necessary to operate & maintain these increasingly complex systems. * APRICOT's mission is to satisfy this need for information; The conference consists of seminars, sessions, and forums with the goal of spreading and sharing the knowledge required to operate the increasingly complex Asia Pacific Internet topology. * The First APRICOT was held in Singapore in last January. It was attended by over 280 people from over 18 countries involved in delivering Internet Services. * APRICOT's mission is to address the critical need to develop and advance the skills and understanding necessary to grow a robust Internet infrastructure in the Asia-Pacific region. * APRICOT is not just another 'pure-promotional' Internet conference APRICOT is about bringing true subject matter experts together with those who can benefit from the information the most. The theme for this APRICOT will be - Managing the Growth of the Asia Pacific Internet PRELIMINARY PROGRAM January 27 & 28 - Tutorials - Introductory and Advanced Sessions Covering: * Administering Email, News, and other Interactive Services * The Domain Name System, Security, & General UNIX Systems Administration topics * WWW Servers - Administration & Programming * Basic TCP/IP Networking & Router Configuration * Advanced Router topics, Routing Protocols & Interexchanges * Content Control & Censoring Technologies January 29 & 30 - Conference -- Tracks will include: * Network Operations * Applications and Services * Internet Policy and Legal Issues * Business of and on the Internet January 31 - The Asia Pacific Network Information Center Meeting For More Information Sign up to the APRICOT-INFO mailing list by sending a message of "subscribe" to apricot-info-request@apricot.net. *** From owner-local-ir Thu Dec 19 16:23:51 1996 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.4/8.7.1) id QAA03860 for local-ir-outgoing; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:23:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from apnic-ttc.apnic.net (firewall-user@apnic-ttc.apnic.net [203.178.142.242]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA03776; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:20:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by apnic-ttc.apnic.net; id QAA28207; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:15:43 +0900 Received: from unknown(10.0.10.4) by apnic-ttc.apnic.net via smap (g3.0.3) id xma028194; Thu, 19 Dec 96 16:15:19 +0900 Received: from apnic.net (davidc@localhost) by moonsky.jp.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA12227; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:16:39 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199612190716.QAA12227@moonsky.jp.apnic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: moonsky.jp.apnic.net: davidc owned process doing -bs To: apnic-all@apnic.net, nics@apnic.net, apnic-staff@apnic.net, local-ir@apnic.net Subject: APNIC Annual General Meeting Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 16:16:39 +0900 From: "David R. Conrad" Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, Apologies for the lateness of this message. The APNIC Annual General Meeting will be held in Hong Kong at the Excelsior Hotel on January 31, 1997 immediately following the APRICOT '97 conference (more information on APRICOT '97 can be found at http://www.apricot.net and I encourage all to attend). This APNIC meeting will be open, however there will be a registration fee (payable by cash or check at the door) of US $50.00. For paid APNIC members however, there are a number of complimentary registrations, the number dependent on the self-determined size of the organization: Large 4 complimentary registrations Medium 2 complimentary registrations Small 1 complimentary registrations The tentative agenda for the meeting is: 8:00 - 9:00 Registration and Continental Breakfast 9:00 - 9:30 Call to order and Administrivia 9:30 - 10:30 Executive Council Elections (2 seats) 10:30 - 11:00 APNIC Secretariat Status Report 11:00 - 12:00 Funding Plan Modifications discussions and voting 12:00 - 1:30 Lunch (not provided) 1:30 - 2:30 APNIC Activities Plan discussions and voting 2:30 - 4:45 Member Updates 4:45 - 5:00 Adjournment Additional agenda items are requested, but must be submitted 48 hours before the APNIC meeting. With respect to the current agenda, a couple of additional details: Executive Council Elections: There are 2 seats, occupied by Sanjaya of IndoInternet in Indonesia and B. A. C. Abeywardana of Electroteks Network Services of Sri Lanka . According to the By-Laws, all members should nominate an individual from their organization who they would like to serve on the executive council by no later than 7 days before the APNIC Meeting (e.g., by Jan 24). Funding Plan Modifications: As discussed (slightly) on the funding-wg mailing list, there are 2 proposal before the membership: a) Setting non-membership fees based on address space utilization b) Creation of a "confederation" fee category which has fees based on the number of members. The latter proposal has a draft document available which details the requirements for becoming a "confederation". This document will be posted in the APNIC document store before the end of the month. APNIC Activities Plan: The APNIC Secretariat will present a series of recommended actions for the membership to vote on. With respect to hotels, you may find the APRICOT Hotel Information page useful (see: http://www.apricot.net/hotel.html). If you have any questions, feel free to contact me at your convenience. Regards, -drc From owner-local-ir Fri Jan 3 18:06:19 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) id SAA16781 for local-ir-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:06:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from apnic-ttc.apnic.net (firewall-user@apnic-ttc.apnic.net [203.178.142.242]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA16775 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:06:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by apnic-ttc.apnic.net; id RAA23470; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:59:59 +0900 Received: from unknown(10.0.10.4) by apnic-ttc.apnic.net via smap (g3.0.3) id xma023467; Fri, 3 Jan 97 17:59:29 +0900 Received: from apnic.net (davidc@localhost) by moonsky.jp.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA10861 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 18:01:38 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199701030901.SAA10861@moonsky.jp.apnic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: moonsky.jp.apnic.net: davidc owned process doing -bs To: local-ir@apnic.net Subject: InterNIC restructuring Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 18:01:38 +0900 From: "David R. Conrad" Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk ------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 21:55:56 -0500 From: Kim Hubbard To: pagan@apnic.net Subject: Non-profit IP Registry Hello, Recently, there has been discussion concerning the need to keep IP issues separate from domain issues. The stability of the Internet in part relies on the careful management of the Internet Protocol addresses. The point has also been made that the management of the IP space should be put in the hands of those that depend on it - the users. Whether those users are ISPs, corporate entities, universities, etc., they should all play a role. To this end, Network Solutions, Inc. plans to create and initially fund a non-profit 501(c)6 organization to be known as The American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) to manage the IP address space for the territories it currently administers, similar to the APNIC and RIPE regional IP registries. This organization will be a non-profit spin-off of the current InterNIC IP group. Network Solutions, Inc. will initially fund ARIN until fees are imposed and will offer continued financing until such time as it is a stable, self-sufficient entity capable of funding itself through its membership dues, registration and maintenance fees. Details on the proposed organizational structure and 1997 funding model are located at http://rs.internic.net/arin. Questions regarding the proposal will be answered on the ARIN mailing list. To subscribe, send mail to: listserv@internic.net with "subscribe naipr" in the body along with your first and last name. Regards, Kim Hubbard InterNIC Registry ------- End of Forwarded Message From owner-local-ir Tue Jan 7 17:16:11 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) id RAA20552 for local-ir-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:16:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from apnic-ttc.apnic.net (firewall-user@apnic-ttc.apnic.net [203.178.142.242]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA20547; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:16:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by apnic-ttc.apnic.net; id RAA10398; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:09:35 +0900 Received: from unknown(10.0.10.5) by apnic-ttc.apnic.net via smap (g3.0.3) id xma010395; Tue, 7 Jan 97 17:09:10 +0900 Received: from apnic.net (davidc@localhost) by palmtree.jp.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id RAA03831; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 17:17:57 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199701070817.RAA03831@palmtree.jp.apnic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: palmtree.jp.apnic.net: davidc owned process doing -bs To: local-ir@apnic.net, apnic-mtg@apnic.net, nics@apnic.net, apnic-all@apnic.net Subject: APRICOT '97 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 17:17:56 +0900 From: "David R. Conrad" Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk [Apologies if inappropriate, for duplicates, and for the market-speak below] If you are interested in attending APRICOT '97 in Hong Kong, I *very strongly* encourage you to register *REAL SOON NOW*. Space is extremely limited and will allocated using a first-registered/first- served system should we run out of space, both for tutorials and for the conference. The APNIC Annual General Meeting will be held on Jan 31 at the same venue as APRICOT. If you have any questions about the APNIC meeting, please contact hostmaster@apnic.net. Please note that the rooms APRICOT has blocked at a special rate will be released on JAN 10 (Hong Kong time) -- 3 days from today. Regards, -drc -------- ASIA PACIFIC REGIONAL INTERNET CONFERENCE ON OPERATIONAL TECHNOLOGIES ------- APRICOT is the premiere Internet engineering and operations event in the Asia and Pacific Rim region, bringing together technical and administrative experts to teach and discuss cutting edge operational Internet issues. This 4 day event consists of 2 days of tutorials and 2 days of a 3 track conference: TUTORIALS Monday 1/27 Tuesday 1/28 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - DNS and BIND - Sendmail and INN - ISP Routing and Networking - Adv. ISP Routing and Networking Fundamentals Fundamentals - UNIX Power Tools for ISPs I - UNIX Power Tools for ISPs II - IP Version 6 - Bridges & Routers - Securing Your Network - Perl Programming - ISP System Administration - IP and ATM - Web Programming Technologies I - Web Programming Technologies II CONFERENCE 1/29 Plenary featuring keynote speeches by Rose Ann Giordano, VP of Digital and Bob Collet, VP of TeleGlobe, President of CIX Network Operations Services and Applications Policy & Legal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last Mile Alternatives Internet Security National NICs Internet Addressing Directory Services General Legal Issues IXes and Peering Managing Nets & Svcs Internet Governance CONFERENCE 1/30 Plenary featuring keynote speeches by Paul Flaherty, co-creator of AltaVista and Carl Rigney, creator of RADIUS Network Operations Services and Applications Business of the I'net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cable & Satellite Infra. Building & Managing the Web ISP Business Routing Issues The Domain Name System Value Added Services Internet Measurement Implementing Roaming Electronic Commerce FIRST TIME EVER!! A state of the art demonstration Internet Exchange interconnecting over 10 Hong Kong and international Internet service providers using a Digital Gigaswitch/FDDI -- the same technology in use at major exchanges in the US and Japan. Learn advanced routing techniques from acknowledged Internet routing experts. ALSO The APRICOT Shownet connecting vendors and users directly to the Internet providing ample facilities for demonstrations, learning and experimentation. SPONSORS INCLUDE Digital Equipent Corporation, International Business Machines, Hong Kong Telecom, Bay Networks, Gilat Satellite Networks, SourceCom, Global One, Asia Internet Holdings, Ascend, Cisco Systems, O'Reilly and Associates, Sembawang Media, SOFTBANK Expos, AT&T, NTT, KDD, DataCommunications, and others! SPEAKERS AND INSTRUCTORS INCLUDE Highly respected Internet experts from Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Hong Kong, China, Taiwan, The Philippines, India, Cambodia, US, Sweden, Germany, The Netherlands, Korea, Israel, Malaysia, Singapore, including such individuals as Bob Collet, VP of TeleGlobe, Rose Ann Giordano, VP of Digital, Paul Mockapetris, CTO of Software.Com, Paul Vixie of Vixie Enterprises, Jon Postel of the IANA, among many others. VENUE APRICOT will be held at the Excelsior Hotel, Gloucester Road, Causeway Bay. For reservations, call Tel: +(852) 2894 8888, Fax: +(852) 2895 6459. DEADLINE FOR ROOMS RESERVED AT A SPECIAL RATE IS JAN 10. After Jan 10, the reserved rooms will be released. SPACE IS EXTREMELY LIMITED For full details and to register on-line at http://www.apricot.net as soon as possible. If you have questions or comments, please contact apricot-oc@apricot.net. From owner-local-ir Sun Jan 19 13:13:29 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) id NAA01392 for local-ir-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:13:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from apnic-ttc.apnic.net (firewall-user@apnic-ttc.apnic.net [203.178.142.242]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA01376; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:13:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by apnic-ttc.apnic.net; id NAA24970; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:05:48 +0900 Received: from unknown(10.0.10.4) by apnic-ttc.apnic.net via smap (g3.0.3) id xma024968; Sun, 19 Jan 97 13:05:46 +0900 Received: from apnic.net (davidc@localhost) by moonsky.jp.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA06776; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:08:50 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199701190408.NAA06776@moonsky.jp.apnic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: moonsky.jp.apnic.net: davidc owned process doing -bs To: apnic-staff@apnic.net, local-ir@apnic.net, apnic-mtg@apnic.net Subject: Nominations Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 13:08:50 +0900 From: "David R. Conrad" Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk [apologies for duplicates] Hi, To date we have had 4 nominations detailed below. Please be aware that according to our by-laws, nominations close on January, 25. All APNIC members are entitled to nominate an individual for executive council positions. If you would like to nominate someone or yourself, simply send the name, email address, a short (<250 words) biography and a short position statement to exec-nominations@apnic.net. All nominatons with biographies and position statements as provided will be sent to members on January 25. Note: Nominations must be made by members. Regards, -drc --------- Nominations as of 1/19/97 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Dr. Xing Li Email: xing@cernet.edu.cn Biography: Xing Li was born in Beijing, China in April 16, 1956. He received his B. S. degree in radio electronics from Tsinghua University, Beijing in 1982, and his M.S. and Ph.D. degrees in electrical engineering from Drexel University, Philadelphia in 1985 and 1989, respectively. He is currenly a Professor in the Electronic Engineering Department at Tsinghua University, Beijing, China. His research activities and interests include statistical signal processing, ultrasonic imaging, multimedia communication and computer networks. He has published one book and more than 40 papers in his research areas. He is a member of Communication Expert Committee of the China National "863" High Technology Project and a member of Technical Board of the China Education and Research Network Project. He is a fellow of China Communication Institute, a senior member of China Electronic Institute, member of Internet Society, members of IEEE Signal Processing Society and IEEE Computer Society. He is a member of Sigma Xi. Since 1993, he has been engaged in the China Education and Research Network (CERNET) project, of which he is one of the major architects. Currently, he is deputy director of the CERNET Center, supervising the CERNET NIC and NOC. Position Statement: not provided Nominated by: Xing Li ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Dr. Kwan Ho Song Email: not provided Biography: not provided Position Statement: not provided Nominated by: Chanki Park ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: Prof. Dr. Srisakdi Charmonman Email: charm@mail.ksc.co.th Biography: not provided Position Statement: not provided Nominated by: Kanokwan Wongwattanasin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Name: not provided Email: wghe@uninet.co.cn Biography: not provided Position Statement: not provided Nominated by: Lily Shang From owner-local-ir Sun Jan 19 14:44:10 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) id OAA02079 for local-ir-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:44:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from apnic-ttc.apnic.net (firewall-user@apnic-ttc.apnic.net [203.178.142.242]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA02020; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:39:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by apnic-ttc.apnic.net; id OAA25183; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:32:18 +0900 Received: from unknown(10.0.10.4) by apnic-ttc.apnic.net via smap (g3.0.3) id xma025180; Sun, 19 Jan 97 14:31:57 +0900 Received: from apnic.net (davidc@localhost) by moonsky.jp.apnic.net (8.8.2/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA07107; Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:35:01 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199701190535.OAA07107@moonsky.jp.apnic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: moonsky.jp.apnic.net: davidc owned process doing -bs To: members@apnic.net, apnic-staff@apnic.net, local-ir@apnic.net, apnic-all@apnic.net cc: apnic-ops@apnic.net reply-to: davidc@apnic.net Subject: New document Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 14:35:01 +0900 From: "David R. Conrad" Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Hi, At ftp://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/docs/apnic-051.txt you'll find a proposal for the creation of a new billing/allocation category called "Internet Service Provider Confederations". This proposal will be voted on at the upcoming APNIC meeting in Hong Kong on Jan 31. I'd appreciate any comments/questions/etc. be sent to me directly (note reply-to line in the header). Regards, -drc From owner-local-ir Mon Jan 27 16:58:19 1997 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) id QAA15802 for local-ir-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:58:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from melati.singnet.com.sg (melati.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.15]) by teckla.apnic.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA15784; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:57:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from mallow.singnet.com.sg (mallow.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.11]) by melati.singnet.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26921; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:00:21 +0800 (SST) Received: from laina.singnet.com.sg (ts900-4613.singnet.com.sg [165.21.155.33]) by mallow.singnet.com.sg (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05625; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 16:00:19 +0800 (SST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 97 15:48:40 From: laina@singnet.com.sg Subject: APPLe in HongKong To: apple@apnic.net, local-ir@apnic.net X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 5.0, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-local-ir@apnic.net Precedence: bulk Most of you will recall an earlier message regarding the APRICOT meeting to be held in Hong Kong sent out by David Conrad. The web page is http://www.apricot.net For your information, I will give you a run down of the detailed program scheduled for the APPLe session on the 29th January 1997 at the Excelsior Hotel, Marina Room II. 9.45-11.45 Internet governance and National NICs (discussing issues and probems faced in the region with the existing system) Chair: Barry Greene Panelists: Gopi Garge (India) Norbert Klein (Cambodia) Tommi Chen (Malaysia) Roger Hicks (NZ) Matthijs Koerber (Singapore) Bill Manning (US) 1.-3pm General Legal Issues Chair: Dr Brownlee Thomas Panelists: Jan Guetler (EU)- user perspective Richard Swetenham (EU)-EU issues Will Foster (CIX)- WIPO issues Tony Wong (OFTA)- HK and APEC Shirley (Inta)- Trademark 3.15-6.00 Internet Governance 1/2 hour Introduction to History and Current status of Internet Governance issues by Barry Greene and Will Foster APPle panel discussion on the future of Internet Governance: Chairs: Isumi Aizu Laina RG Panelists: David Maher (IAHC) Barbara Dooley (CIX) Daniel Karenberg (RIPE) Kim Hubbard (InterNic) David Conrad (APNIC) Richard Swetenham (EU) Dr Brownlee Thomas (APEC/PECC) Discussants: morning session panelists PS ITU and WIPO had been invited but were unable to attend. close at 6.00 with a cocktail reception. For those of you who will be at APRICOT, I hope to see you at the APPle sessions. ------------------------------------------------- Laina Raveendran Greene Global Empowerment Through Information Technology (GETIT) laina@singnet.com.sg --------------------------------------------------